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On Tracers and Tracing by NeuronPlectrum On Tracers and Tracing by NeuronPlectrum
This is here because I got what I wanted: [link]

Outtakes for "bargaining" via twitpic [link]
Alternate endings: [link]

Information on the Kübler-Ross model, the genuine one that's reserved for people going through actual tragedies, not lapses in hubris [link]
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WittleBanzaiTree Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2013
I never knew something like this existed.This group has opened my eyes about DA.I thought DA was for sh=aring ORIGINAL ART created nby yourself and for others to share advice on what to do to improve or to point mistakes.Example we have tutorials and critique but tracing isn't art its just another version of those connecting the dots in the newspaper.And,whats so sad the people who are tracing get better veiws :/ while the original is hidden beneath(spealling >:( )it.
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EwDont Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree with all of this! I been told "I was so jealous of you! I just HAD to copy it!" or "The only reason why I traced it because I wanted to get more views!". Those are just lamest excuses for begging for popularity. The only reason why people invented tracing paper is so artists can trace there drawings or for tattooing (that's what I know so far).

People on Colors! harassed me for hating on tracers. They'll always say, "As long as they give credit, it's cool! So, shut the f*ck up!". They'll bitch out that to everyone until it happens to them. Colors! probably have more tracers then artists, because more stolen art is getting more popular then those people that take there time on there art. Hell, even a f*cking black dot gotten popular. :wtf:
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013   Traditional Artist
What gets me about the tracers is that, even in spite of admitting to wanting more views and giving credit and whatnot, they still basically want the same recognition and regard as the artists they copy off of. Copies aren't equals, and nothing equates to an original. They want to be treated like they have some special talent when all they're doing is what I did with a sheet of tracing paper and a Ninja Turtles comic when I was 8. I'll actually stand up for tracing as a kind of gateway or stepping stone since it's probably how most of us start at some point in our past (I think it's got something to do with the survival instinct, monkey see/monkey do and all that), but when people start trying to earn reputations for it or, worse, use it to deceive and get noticed, that's just childish. It's like trying to enter the grand nationals with a hobby horse, and demanding the highest honor just for showing up.
I think the reason sites like DevART and ColorsLive (or any art site, really) have so many tracers is simply that most of them know they're never going to really go anywhere with their so-called "work" but if they can get just a little attention or praise (mostly from people who don't know any better), then it's all worth it and they feel that much better about themselves. It's like cheating on a test in first grade; it's cheating, but it's only elementary school. They see the internet as their private little playground, instead of just the real world reduced to text on a screen.
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EwDont Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Exactly, and tracers who seek out for fame don't know what popular artists have to go though. Yes they get more comments, favorites, and more opportunities, but they have to go through trolls, spammers, art thieves, and so on. I wanted to be more recognized, but I'm not going to fast forward myself to fame. Like you said, it's like cheating on a test in first grade.
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Schplitzkriegs Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The last one is very true. Those tracers get MANY more views, and me, who puts actual EFFORT into their work hardly gets comments. I get a ton of views though.

But then once again, I don't care about that because I see this site to be more about ART than views.
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012   Traditional Artist
Exactly.
The people here who care more about views than doing art they're personally happy with, wanting success and attention for abilities they don't have, aren't even putting the cart before the horse; they're tethering the cart to the hitching post and taking all the curious stares as positive reinforcement.
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Schplitzkriegs Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree. People who actually put EFFORT into their art should get more views/comments than a tracer/art thief/recolorer (well, they're all the same thing). My pics get hardly any comments, but I saw a stolen pic that got like, 22 comments.
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Saira-Dragon Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013
(I know the comment is a bit old) But its kinda true i usually put effort in my art *especially when it comes to finishing one since i takes weeks months to finish one since i get a lot of ideas at once x.x* but then  i post it and get little to no comments or opinions which i would like it helps. Sometimes i get 341 looks some faves no comments or 2 comments faves little views , i even got a comment that was very rude which was a while back so i would just forget about it. Then i see in groups im in sometimes having art that looks traced from some thing i saw etc they some times get 10 to 20 comments on something*i don't even know now*. I also saw stolen art get featured on deviantart  also featured on facebook , the person even tried selling prints of the art (someone linked the original artist) she had copyright on it and that is no longer allowed to be used since its a book cover but im guessing he/she stole it and used it making profit from her work *the picture also was of the real artist* it was a picture of her in photography makeup etc* i cant believe how many positive comments to art thief had.-. . 
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nfaas Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
Wow this is perfect.
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Except unfortunately I tend to see mostly the Denial and Anger stages. I'd love to see more Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance here on dA.

Especially Depression if the traces are ugly as well...:ashamed:
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:iconneuronplectrum:
NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012   Traditional Artist
I admit I took liberties with the "acceptance" part; it was something they actually said in anger. Meanwhile, I think depression looms over all tracers, hence their willingness to boast skills they don't really have.
The bargaining aspect was the epiphany. When that tracer offered up taking their piece down if the original artist called them out on it, I thought, "They denied tracing, got angry, seems very depressed yet accepts they're not a real artist, and now they're saying if the original artist--Holy Crap, that's bargaining!"
I only wish I'd kept the comment that the original artist left on that tracer's page. It was the most surprisingly polite, mature, diplomatic, and downright rational way I've ever seen someone called a fake artist. It was a thing of beauty. I mean, Hell, I used to trace comic book panels when I was a kid, but I never touted it as any sort of skill, and even as a learning aid, I knew it wasn't going to take me very far. Those people who try to make names for themselves for it, though, like you said, are truly ugly people, not just unappealing, but downright vile.
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nfaas Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
Hmm, I see what you mean about the bargaining and depression. But there's a difference between being sad about the quality of your own work, and simply being an attention whore.
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012   Traditional Artist
True, true, most of us take that feeling of not being good enough and take it as a challenge, try to improve or experiment with styles, while others... well, you're right, they demand attention for talents they don't technically have.
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Lover-of-Music Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Student General Artist
Let's not forget the smart-ass.
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Deep-Strike Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Tracing is lame.

I , myself, suck at drawing (yeah yeah, you can check my gallery, and people keeps telling me that I'm not that bad, but I think I'm bad, honestly), and I never traced once. I prefer to post a true bad artwork, than a fake good artwork
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2012   Traditional Artist
:salute:
The voice of reason, you are.
:yoda:
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Deep-Strike Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks :happycry: :iconsaluteplz:
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issabissabel Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012  Student General Artist
Love it.
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012   Traditional Artist
Thank you.
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Mira-RainbowDash Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
If onlt some of them thought like this! Their asses always get stuck on anger, then start blocking everyone nowadays. Those are the fun ones because you can tell everyone what they do. XD
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012   Traditional Artist
That is the one sort of liberty I took; the quote for "acceptance" was actually said when she was in the throes of "anger" when I asked why she didn't do more original work instead of making an institution out of traced bases. I think the anger relapse is a front for their actual "acceptance" that they're just never going to be as popular as they want to be unless they pander to the mainstream.
It's funny you mention blocking, because she did end up blocking me (for a few months... maybe she ran out of room in the block list ;P ).
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Mira-RainbowDash Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I try to reason with them and they just act like they have a stick up their ass or something. :shrug:
That IS funny! Why unblock someone for only a few months? It makes no sense. XD
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012   Traditional Artist
I guess it's just hard for some people to be confronted (even if it's for their own good), one of those "cut off your nose to spite your face" situations; they realize their mistake (possibly), but don't want to give in, not in their own personal private treehouse that is their webpage.
Yeah, I'm not sure exactly when it came down, but I honestly think it's only been in the past few days since I posted the comic. Frankly, I think they're trying to bait me into "trolling" them so they can report me for harassment all over again. Too bad I don't have anything to say to them that I can't base a webcomic off of ;P
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Aizu-chan Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Hahahaa!!! It's just the way things go XD
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012   Traditional Artist
... for far too many.

I mean, what do they honestly expect? If they try and hide it, they're going to get caught with their pants down, eventually. If they're up front about it (or at least mincing their words like in "denial"), they've basically shot themselves in the foot as far as being taken seriously outside of the people who ask them for traci--bases.
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Aizu-chan Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
There's an expresion we argentinians use for this... "Tenés la posta".
which cannot be translated, but basically means that you can't be more right about it.
XD
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012   Traditional Artist
I like that phrase, I think I'm going to start using it :)
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OrdinarySnowflake Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012   General Artist
Omg, priceless. XD
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012   Traditional Artist
It really was bottled lightning, this one. Normally, the tracers I confront stop replying and/or block me right after the anger phase, but instead, I got to see every desperate excuse and workaround thrown at me in rapid succession. It was a microcosm of blame displacement and weasel-wording.

It's just too bad I can't properly thank that tracer because this would get taken down just like the two screenshots I had up ;P
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pygmynoodles Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012  Student General Artist
There's also another version of acceptance that I'm sure you've seen, which is when they delete all evidence and pretend nothing ever happened. Which, I guess in theory is just going back to denial because those types of people tend to post more traced stuff after their gallery is "cleansed of the criticism". |:

Anyway, this was really amusing. It's totally true.
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012   Traditional Artist
I have actually seen the "evidence tampering" more than anything else (I'm even working on another strip that somewhat touches on that). That's what made this case so special, because the person in question did turn their gallery around (albeit rather begrudgingly at first, but I can respect that no one likes having their bubble burst).
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pygmynoodles Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012  Student General Artist
It is pretty abnormal to see someone actually try to change on this website. A lot of people seem to believe that tracing is 'just their style' and refuse to do anything else. So I'm glad to hear that at least one case has worked out in the favor of honesty. XD
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RoxelxSoku Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012  Student Artist
I love this. ;3;
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012   Traditional Artist
I'm really glad this is getting such a positive response.
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theBATCLAM Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
This made me very happy.
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012   Traditional Artist
I'm glad something good can come out of the debacle that led up to this.
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Rosemary-the-Skunk Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My god, how true is this? :XD:

You seriously nailed it.
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012   Traditional Artist
It's all thanks to one person (actually, it's a pair of siblings, but they've got half a brain cell each, so it counts as one) whom I can't name because the last time I did, the two screenshots got taken down... many months later; pretty much every line is almost a direct quote from a traced base-maker. There have been others, but none of them were as dedicated to their craft or tried so desperately to justify what they were doing. Every excuse in the book got thrown out, and even a few new ones. Of course, said "new one" was what made up the bargaining phase, and that backfired in an awesome display.
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Rosemary-the-Skunk Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Damn, I know dude, I know. I'm an art thief and tracer hunter, and I've heard all of these lame excuses before. None of them will really admit their wrong, instead say that it "helps them learn" or "everyone does it".
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012   Traditional Artist
I think we all need to come to some sort of consensus, whenever they say it's helping them learn, on how long we can expect to see the results of what they've learned. I mean, I'll attest that there are some skills that can be learned from tracing (and it's probably more likely how most people get started, when they're just screwing around--Hell, I even traced pages out of an old Ninja Turtle comic when I was little), but more often than not the people who make the learning excuse have been "excusing themselves" for months on end. It can take some time to improve any style or technique, but not that long.
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Rosemary-the-Skunk Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, that's something I can agree with. I'm not gonna RAEG at young kids tracing, they probably want their pictures to look just as nice as pro art, and they've all gotta start somewhere.

But when you're 14-17, that shit's gotta stop. Learn to draw yourself, please, it's fucking annoying to see a bazillion traced arts.
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FlyingFatality Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This is very accurate.
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012   Traditional Artist
Admittedly, the "acceptance" phase is a bit off; it was more like a relapse of anger, with the "but I won't get views" line as part of the original angry rant of the base-maker in question. Still, I guess it's a form of acceptance, though, that the only way they can get anybody to even look at their work is to pander to mass appeal. It makes me sad, but how sorry can you feel for someone after they've shot themselves in the foot... again?
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FlyingFatality Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah generally I find that they just end up deleting their account. Sometimes I feel bad for them, but it is really their own fault because they chose to trace off of other people and do illegal stuff.
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012   Traditional Artist
I've actually just sketched out the basics of another strip about someone who went straight to "bawlete" when they got confronted about their "permission issues."
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FlyingFatality Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yessss. That one should be good.
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deidaraart5 Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I love this series you're doing; it's amusing, yet gets the point across very well
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012   Traditional Artist
It's really something I didn't plan. Comics (web or otherwise) and I have this relationship: I love them, but I'm absolutely no good at them. The ones I do end up making are so laborious that it's like Christmas lights every year (How did I get these damn things put away last year?!), so it's something I avoid. Lately, though, especially after the Tapwater Troll, I've managed to settle into a groove. I don't think it'll last, and I certainly don't think I'll be doing stick figures forever (as appealing as their simplicity is), but they've been getting a good response, so I won't throw any ideas for them to the backburner or anything like that.

By the way, silly question, but it was something that bugged me when I was making the text blocks: have you ever seen a mimeograph?
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deidaraart5 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Well I hope the grove doesn't die completely ever, cause these are neat to see! C:

Just now when I googled it |D
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NeuronPlectrum Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012   Traditional Artist
I didn't think anyone would; they died out when I was in high school. I fussed over getting the right shade of purple and getting the font right so the text would look like pages torn out of some old psychology student's homework. It was just supposed to be a way to liven up the text, and I think I honestly spent more time on it than the expressions of the stick figures ;P
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deidaraart5 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
XD Well it payed off! C:

on a completely different topic; you should get on skype sometimes ;3; I miss talking with you
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